铁木
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作者：铁木 在 驴鸣镇 发贴, 来自 http://www.hjclub.org
我想，东西方文化，东西方思维区别之类的讨论，很难成为科学（社会科学）研究。文化研究中的提炼，分类，就是stereotype。大概所有文化对不同文化都有一种stereotype作为“外部对比”，即external reference，来加强自我认同。
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| I have a counter question. If someone was to state that the Japanese, the Koreans, the Vietnamese and the Chinese (Taiwan and Mainland) all twist reality in the same way for ideological purposes, would you agree? After all, they are all part of the Far East, aren't they? And Confucian cultures all have the same cultural base, don't they? |
儒家文化影响的诸国应该各有不同的对外的stereotypes，但他们彼此是否有相近，重合，比如对西方的看法，韩国，中国，越南等，是不是有类似的看法？或许。可能部分和历史观有关。比如中国典型的“受迫害”的近代史观，影响到中国人对西方的看法。最近的支持中国，反对西方，反对西藏的抗议，就能看出历史观的影响。如果韩国，越南等国都有类似的历史观，即反西方殖民主义和帝国主义的内容，那么他们对西方的看法会有相近的地方。
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I first have to say that I have never read the works of Edward Said and other post-colonialists. I have the impression that like the incompetent W.E.B. Du Bois, Mr. Said had a political ax to grind - and did not do this in a very scholarly manner. All a part of "ethnic studies" at American universities which frequently bring academic shame upon my nation. (To be fair, I get the impression that post-colonial studies in India are of high quality.)
From what I understand from Wikipedia, Mr. Said was only talking about the West's perception of the Arab world. Furthermore, he was excluding German and Russian studies of the Middle East. Thus, he was not even talking about a confrontation between the West and Islam, let alone the West and East Asia.
Mr. Said does not have a good reputation in the French world. The idea of "orientalisme" in French usually only refers to art. I have been in an francophone Arab forum (the largest French language Muslim forum in the world) for the last two years: www.mejliss.com . Almost nobody takes him seriously - they are quite aware that the Islamic world is currently inferior in a cultural sense to Israel and the West.
Nor does Edward Said have much relevance to the American relationship to China. Unlike Muslim Arabs, Chinese people have high status in the United States. You people are welcome marriage partners and earn more than the average white. The few Americans who know that the capital of the Republic of China is not Bangkok distinguish between the good Chinese (Taiwanese, Minyun, religious groups) and the "baddies" (CCP stooges). In most people's perception, this is not a matter of conflict between cultures but between two Western political ideologies - "Leninism" and democracy. This is an oversimplification of course, but differs radically from our view of the Islamic world. |
萨伊德的书,我只看了开头。杜波伊斯的东西我没看过（估计老芦看过  ）。我说过，文化研究，不是科学研究，没什么可说的。但他们反映的现象，或者观点的社会影响，却是值得研究的严肃问题，比如对西方中心论，对白人社会主宰的
分析评判。
你说美国人对中国人的典型看法，有不同的政治原则/意识形态决定，似乎不同意文化等更深层产生的偏见。而我认为整个教育体系，社会和政治语言还是能够加强偏见的，即我所说的文化的，结构型的偏见。
拿好莱坞电影来说，其中塑造的中国人，印度人和其他非西方人的现象，有些可以说是按照政治标准搞出来的，而很多则是根深蒂固的，潜在的文化偏见。比如中国男人，功夫，那就是和意识形态无关的艺术形象：张牙舞爪，没有法制观念的（vigilantism），嗷嗷怪叫的小男人...美国的文化偏见如此强大，以至于能够出口到中国，被许多崇洋媚外的中国人接受,反过来，中国人在通过实际行动，加剧西方人员以有的偏见（jacky chan, jet li, all the gungfu crap）。
作者：铁木 在 驴鸣镇 发贴, 来自 http://www.hjclub.org |
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